The mystery of the two 13th Amendments

Question submitted by FreedomIsAbsolute on Tue, 04/03/2012 – 02:04. Permalink

I have another question if you don’t mind, and was wondering if you had any clue as to whether this is a falsehood or not. Upon researching, I came across multiple sources regarding the 13th original Amendment (nothing to do with the abolition of slavery.) Upon looking at these sources, it appears that the original 13th Amendment has been buried and is no longer recognized. It was supposedly ratified by the original 13 states between 1812-1819. The supposed Original 13th Amendment reads as follows: “If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.”

My question is this: is this true? And if so, what are the ramifications of hiding such an Amendment, and is a process/will a process be in place (if not when will it be) of bringing this to light and re-established by any duly elected/appointed officials such as people belonging to the Judicial Branch, or legislative branch, and if this Amendment really does exist and is buried but not being brought to light, why? A few of the sources that I have come across to this matter is:
1.) http://www.amendment-13.org/
2.) http://www.thirdamendment.com/missing.html
3.) http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/07/27/why-some-re…
4.) http://www.greatamericanhistory.net/amendment.htm
5.) http://www.barefootsworld.net/13essay.html

Also, I was wondering if you knew what the acronym B.A.R. stands for as in “A lawyer cannot recieve his/her license untill he/she passes the BAR.”

Answer:

I assume that the table shown below at http://www.barefootsworld.net/13table.html is accurate. And I also presume that the image of Roane’s and Coalter’s 1819 compilation of Virginia laws, including the original 13^th (http://www.barefootsworld.net/images/va19-13a.jpg), is also accurate. Roane was an exacting judge who wouldn’t publish the original 13^th as law unless he were sure that it had been ratified.

Therefore, on the original 13^th Amendment (as opposed to the subsequent 13^th), I answer that it appears that by sometime in 1819, the amendment had been ratified by 13 of the first 17 states (ending with Ohio).

Here is a part of the evidence

“Authorized by an act of the Virginia General Assembly (February 15, 1817), the complete revision of the State’s laws were entrusted to five of Virginia’s most prominent lawyers and legal scholars: William Brockenbrough, Benjamin Watkins Leigh, Robert White, and judges of the supreme court of appeals, Spencer Roane and John Coalter. When their work was concluded, the Virginia General Assembly voted on March 12, 1819 to publish the Revised Code of the Laws of Virginia with both the Constitution of Virginia and the Constitution of the United States including the Thirteenth Amendment intact and in its proper place. Thus, the vote of Virginia was accomplished and the amendment was ratified.” http://www.barefootsworld.net/real13th.html

(↑Above image is the title page of Roane’s compilation. Just below ↓ is the page showing the original 13th Amendment.)

And here is the chart showing the ratifications. When one gets down the list to Ohio, one sees the necessary 13th state for ratification (3/4s of 17 =

Titles of Nobility and Honour Thirteenth Amendment
Ratification and Publication Table

This is a compilation of data known to date, from researching the various archives for official publications. There are undoubtably more publications which are undiscovered. To view the latest researched data and images of official publications found visit the TONA Research Committee Site www.amendment-13.org

Any Research or Information to help fill in the blanks will be greatly appreciated.

State	Admission	Rank	Ratified or Recognized	Ratification Date	Pre 1820 Official Publ.	Post 1820 Official Publ.
Delaware	Dec. 7, 1787	1	Yes	Rat. Feb. 2, 1811
Pennsylvania	Dec. 12, 1787	2	Yes	Rat. Feb. 6, 1811	1818	1824,1831
New Jersey	Dec. 18, 1787	3	Yes	Rat. Feb. 13, 1811
Georgia	Jan. 2, 1788	4	Yes	Rat. Nov. 22, 1811	1819	1822,1837,1846
Connecticut	Jan. 9, 1788	5	Yes	Rej. May 11,1813		1821,1824,1835, 1839
Massachusetts	Feb. 6, 1788	6	Yes	Rat. Feb. 27, 1812	1816	1823
Maryland	Apr. 28, 1788	7	Yes	Rat. Dec. 25, 1810
South Carolina	May 23, 1788	8	Tabled	Dec. 21, 1814
New Hampshire	June 21, 1788	9	Yes	Rat. Dec. 10, 1812
Virginia	June 25, 1788	10	Yes	Rat. Mar. 12, 1819	1819
New York	Feb. 6, 1788	11	Rejected	Rej. May 1, 1813
North Carolina	Nov. 21, 1789	12	Yes	Rat. Dec. 23, 1811	1819	1828
Rhode Island	May 29, 1790	13	Yes	Rej. Sep. 15, 1814.		1822
Vermont	Mar. 4, 1791	14	Yes	Rat. Oct. 24, 1811
Kentucky	June 1, 1792	15	Yes	Rat. Jan. 31, 1811		1822
Tennessee	June 1, 1796	16	Yes	Rat. Nov. 21, 1811
Ohio	March 1, 1803	17	Yes	Rat. Jan. 31, 1811	1819	1824,1831,1833, 1835,1848
Louisiana	Apr. 30, 1812	18	Yes			1825,1838
Indiana	Dec. 11, 1816	19	Yes			1824,1831,1838
Mississippi	Dec. 10, 1817	20	Yes			1823,1824,1839
Illinois	Dec. 3, 1818	21	Yes			1823,1825,1827, 1833,1839,1845
Alabama	Dec. 14, 1819	22	Not Known
Maine	Mar.15, 1820	23	Yes	The 1825 Constitutions of Maine and the US is the rediscovery document found by Dodge and Dunn in 1983		1825,1831
Missouri	Aug. 10, 1821	24	Yes			1825,1835,1840, 1841,1845
Arkansas	June 15, 1836	25	Not Known
Michigan	Jan. 26, 1837	26	Yes			Terr. Publication 1827,1833
Florida	Mar. 3, 1845	27	Yes			Terr. Publication 1823,1825,1838
Texas	Dec. 29, 1845	28	Not Known
Iowa	Dec. 28, 1846	29	Yes			Terr. Publication 1839,1842,1843
Wisconsin	May 29, 1848	30	Yes			N.W. Terr. Publ. 1833
California	Sep. 9, 1850	31	Not Known
Minnesota	May 11, 1858	32	Yes			N.W. Terr. Publ. 1833
Oregon	Feb. 14, 1859	33	Not Known
Kansas	Jan. 29, 1861	34	Yes			1855,1861,1862, 1868
West Virginia	June 20, 1863	35	Yes			Va. Publ. 1819
Nevada	Oct. 31, 1864	36	Not Known
Nebraska	Mar. 1, 1867	37	Yes			Terr. Publ.1855, 1856,1857,1858, 1859,1860,1861, 1862, State Publ.1873
Colorado	Aug. 1, 1876	38	Yes			Terr. Publ.1861, 1862,1864,1865, 1866,1867, 1868
North Dakota	Nov. 2, 1889	39	Yes			Terr. Publication 1862,1863,1867
South Dakota	Nov. 2, 1889	40	Yes			Terr. Publication 1862,1863,1867
Montana	Nov. 8, 1889	41	Not Known
Washington	Nov. 11, 1889	42	Not Known
Idaho	July 3, 1890	43	Not Known
Wyoming	July 10, 1890	44	Yes			Terr. Publication 1869,1876